Comments on: Brady Center Tells Us Gun Control Is … Dangerous? http://www.commonfolkusingcommonsense.com/2008/06/19/brady-center-tells-us-gun-control-is-dangerous/ My rantings and ravings in this interesting world. Thu, 11 Mar 2010 07:12:30 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: AJMD http://www.commonfolkusingcommonsense.com/2008/06/19/brady-center-tells-us-gun-control-is-dangerous/comment-page-1/#comment-29419 AJMD Sun, 22 Jun 2008 16:49:47 +0000 http://www.commonfolkusingcommonsense.com/?p=1284#comment-29419 See Kates' and Suter's articles from the medical/legal journal literature on our "favorite links" page at http://www.dsgl.org/links.htm - search the text of "Guns and Public Health" for the phrase "overt mendacity" and read the paragraphs which follow. THIS is from a law review journal, and 1/3 of the 80+ pages consists of references and documentation. Print copies and insert them neatly into the "gun control" books at your local library or have your kids do so in their school library, so the little twerps who are given the assignment of doing reports on how great "gun control" is get some truth to balance the propaganda. Also refer them to R.J. Rummel's "genocide" website; "GENOCIDE is the proud legacy of gun control." Doctors for Sensible Gun Laws - www.dsgl.org "First do no harm" - gun control LAWS lead to far more innocent deaths than 'easy access' ever could. See Kates’ and Suter’s articles from the medical/legal journal literature on our “favorite links” page at http://www.dsgl.org/links.htm – search the text of “Guns and Public Health” for the phrase “overt mendacity” and read the paragraphs which follow. THIS is from a law review journal, and 1/3 of the 80+ pages consists of references and documentation. Print copies and insert them neatly into the “gun control” books at your local library or have your kids do so in their school library, so the little twerps who are given the assignment of doing reports on how great “gun control” is get some truth to balance the propaganda. Also refer them to R.J. Rummel’s “genocide” website; “GENOCIDE is the proud legacy of gun control.”

Doctors for Sensible Gun Laws – http://www.dsgl.org
“First do no harm” – gun control LAWS lead to far more innocent deaths than ‘easy access’ ever could.

]]> By: RobertG in Arizona http://www.commonfolkusingcommonsense.com/2008/06/19/brady-center-tells-us-gun-control-is-dangerous/comment-page-1/#comment-29416 RobertG in Arizona Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:25:25 +0000 http://www.commonfolkusingcommonsense.com/?p=1284#comment-29416 The Brady Bunch will lie about anything to further their agenda. The studies on Gun Control V Crimes are numerous and none that I am aware show that Gun Control reduces violent crime. John Lott's studys are the best known I do believe. The studies are here in the States, Britain and New Zealand. Mexico has very strict gun control and a far higher murder rate than we. Lithuania and Russia too. Mexico's murder rate is 17.5. Russia murder rate 30.6. Lithuania's murder rate of 11.7. Finland has few gun control laws a murder rate of 2.9. Israel's murder rate is only 1.4 excluding terrorism. US? 7.0 Not bad for a large, multi-racial, multi-cultural free people. Chicago has very strict gun laws and a very high murder rate. Phoenix with few laws does much better even factoring the Mexican drug war going on. I have had two family members murdered. One in 1971 and one in 1996. Both were beaten to death during a robbery. Both may have lived if they were carrying at the time. So I always carry. The Brady Bunch will lie about anything to further their agenda. The studies on Gun Control V Crimes are numerous and none that I am aware show that Gun Control reduces violent crime. John Lott’s studys are the best known I do believe. The studies are here in the States, Britain and New Zealand. Mexico has very strict gun control and a far higher murder rate than we. Lithuania and Russia too.
Mexico’s murder rate is 17.5.
Russia murder rate 30.6.
Lithuania’s murder rate of 11.7.
Finland has few gun control laws a murder rate of 2.9.
Israel’s murder rate is only 1.4 excluding terrorism.
US? 7.0 Not bad for a large, multi-racial, multi-cultural free people.

Chicago has very strict gun laws and a very high murder rate. Phoenix with few laws does much better even factoring the Mexican drug war going on.

I have had two family members murdered. One in 1971 and one in 1996. Both were beaten to death during a robbery. Both may have lived if they were carrying at the time. So I always carry.

]]> By: JoeFromSidney http://www.commonfolkusingcommonsense.com/2008/06/19/brady-center-tells-us-gun-control-is-dangerous/comment-page-1/#comment-29415 JoeFromSidney Sat, 21 Jun 2008 00:38:26 +0000 http://www.commonfolkusingcommonsense.com/?p=1284#comment-29415 I copied the Brady Rank and the Crime Rank to a second sheet; I then used Excel to plot Crime Rank vs. Brady Rank. The data were scattered all over the plot. No trend either way. No correlation between the two series. It would be nice to show that there was an inverse correlation between Brady and Crime, but it's not there. I copied the Brady Rank and the Crime Rank to a second sheet; I then used Excel to plot Crime Rank vs. Brady Rank. The data were scattered all over the plot. No trend either way. No correlation between the two series. It would be nice to show that there was an inverse correlation between Brady and Crime, but it’s not there.

]]> By: Shamalama http://www.commonfolkusingcommonsense.com/2008/06/19/brady-center-tells-us-gun-control-is-dangerous/comment-page-1/#comment-29414 Shamalama Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:55:34 +0000 http://www.commonfolkusingcommonsense.com/?p=1284#comment-29414 OK, here's the data I pulled in Microsoft Excel 2003 format: http://www.commonfolkusingcommonsense.com/files/brady-crime-stats.xls Came from: - http://www.stategunlaws.org/xshare/pdf/scorecard/2007/2007_scorecard_rankings.pdf - http://www.census.gov/statab/ranks/rank21.html OK, here’s the data I pulled in Microsoft Excel 2003 format:
http://www.commonfolkusingcommonsense.com/files/brady-crime-stats.xls

Came from:
- http://www.stategunlaws.org/xshare/pdf/scorecard/2007/2007_scorecard_rankings.pdf
- http://www.census.gov/statab/ranks/rank21.html

]]> By: Richard http://www.commonfolkusingcommonsense.com/2008/06/19/brady-center-tells-us-gun-control-is-dangerous/comment-page-1/#comment-29413 Richard Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:41:38 +0000 http://www.commonfolkusingcommonsense.com/?p=1284#comment-29413 I would be very interested in statistics on "hot burglaries" with the residents home versus "cold burglaries" with the residents not home. In England, over 50% of burglaries are hot, whereas in the US, 10% are hot; in England burglars know they will not be shot by residents. It would be interesting to see "percent hot" in pro-gun states versus anti-gun states and especially DC. Statistics by state on carjacking as a percent of car thefts would also reveal the (unhealthy) influence of gun control on criminal behavior. So would holdups versus thefts. In each case, the denominator represents "crimes without victims present" and the numerator represents "similar crimes WITH victims present". Most of us on the pro-gun side would expect gun control to put more crimes in the numerator. That is, gun control lessens criminals' anxiety. I would be very interested in statistics on “hot burglaries” with the residents home versus “cold burglaries” with the residents not home. In England, over 50% of burglaries are hot, whereas in the US, 10% are hot; in England burglars know they will not be shot by residents. It would be interesting to see “percent hot” in pro-gun states versus anti-gun states and especially DC. Statistics by state on carjacking as a percent of car thefts would also reveal the (unhealthy) influence of gun control on criminal behavior. So would holdups versus thefts. In each case, the denominator represents “crimes without victims present” and the numerator represents “similar crimes WITH victims present”. Most of us on the pro-gun side would expect gun control to put more crimes in the numerator. That is, gun control lessens criminals’ anxiety.

]]> By: Peter http://www.commonfolkusingcommonsense.com/2008/06/19/brady-center-tells-us-gun-control-is-dangerous/comment-page-1/#comment-29412 Peter Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:11:09 +0000 http://www.commonfolkusingcommonsense.com/?p=1284#comment-29412 Sorry I don't have time to look it up, but could someone use numbers that are meaningful? Shamalama's list is not using the same numbers as Barre's: Shama- California, Brady rank 1, Violent crime rank 10 Barre- Kentucky as "Crime rank" 10 Shama- Maryland, Brady rank 5, Violent crime rank 3 Barre- Vermont as "Crime rank" 3 What would really be interesting to look at is the top 10 Brady ranks AND scores, and the actual crime rank that matches what Barre used, along with the crimes/100k. Sorry Joe and Shamalama, but your numbers don't help when they aren't using the same scale that Barre originally used. Sorry I don’t have time to look it up, but could someone use numbers that are meaningful? Shamalama’s list is not using the same numbers as Barre’s:

Shama- California, Brady rank 1, Violent crime rank 10
Barre- Kentucky as “Crime rank” 10

Shama- Maryland, Brady rank 5, Violent crime rank 3
Barre- Vermont as “Crime rank” 3

What would really be interesting to look at is the top 10 Brady ranks AND scores, and the actual crime rank that matches what Barre used, along with the crimes/100k.

Sorry Joe and Shamalama, but your numbers don’t help when they aren’t using the same scale that Barre originally used.

]]> By: Shamalama http://www.commonfolkusingcommonsense.com/2008/06/19/brady-center-tells-us-gun-control-is-dangerous/comment-page-1/#comment-29411 Shamalama Fri, 20 Jun 2008 13:49:57 +0000 http://www.commonfolkusingcommonsense.com/?p=1284#comment-29411 California, Brady rank 1, Violent crime rank 10 New Jersey, Brady rank 2, Violent crime rank 26 Connecticut, Brady rank 3, Violent crime rank 34 Mass., Brady rank 4, Violent crime rank 18 Maryland, Brady rank 5, Violent crime rank 3 New York, Brady rank 6, Violent crime rank 21 Rhode Island, Brady rank 7, Violent crime rank 40 Hawaii, Brady rank 8, Violent crime rank 39 Illinois, Brady rank 9, Violent crime rank 11 Pennsylvania, Brady rank 10, Violent crime rank 23 Please note that I am NOT critical of GeorgiaCarry.Org member Barre Bollinger's analysis, but what I found interesting is that the average violent crime rate of Brady's Top 10 is statistically equal to Brady's Bottom 10, both in ranking as well as violent crimes per 100,000 people. While I'm not "going out on a limb" and saying that Brady's Top States are more violent, I will state that Brady's gun control has absolutely no effect on violent crime. But what is significant is the disparity between what Brady considers to be a safe state and what the actual crime stats show. The 10 safest states according to crime stats are all in the bottom half of what Brady considers to be safe states. Of the 10 most violent states according to crime statistics, all are within Brady's top half of what they consider to be safe states, with California being the 10th worst in crime yet #1 according to Brady and Maryland being the 3rd worst in crime yet #5 according to Brady. And since lawful ownership and carry of a legal firearm cannot be shown to cause more violent crime, I will continue to arm myself when I'm in the public - concealed or open doesn't matter, I'm going to continue to carry to defend myself and my loves ones from those that would kill me over a $20 bill. ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ California, Brady rank 1, Violent crime rank 10
New Jersey, Brady rank 2, Violent crime rank 26
Connecticut, Brady rank 3, Violent crime rank 34
Mass., Brady rank 4, Violent crime rank 18
Maryland, Brady rank 5, Violent crime rank 3
New York, Brady rank 6, Violent crime rank 21
Rhode Island, Brady rank 7, Violent crime rank 40
Hawaii, Brady rank 8, Violent crime rank 39
Illinois, Brady rank 9, Violent crime rank 11
Pennsylvania, Brady rank 10, Violent crime rank 23

Please note that I am NOT critical of GeorgiaCarry.Org member Barre Bollinger’s analysis, but what I found interesting is that the average violent crime rate of Brady’s Top 10 is statistically equal to Brady’s Bottom 10, both in ranking as well as violent crimes per 100,000 people. While I’m not “going out on a limb” and saying that Brady’s Top States are more violent, I will state that Brady’s gun control has absolutely no effect on violent crime.

But what is significant is the disparity between what Brady considers to be a safe state and what the actual crime stats show. The 10 safest states according to crime stats are all in the bottom half of what Brady considers to be safe states. Of the 10 most violent states according to crime statistics, all are within Brady’s top half of what they consider to be safe states, with California being the 10th worst in crime yet #1 according to Brady and Maryland being the 3rd worst in crime yet #5 according to Brady.

And since lawful ownership and carry of a legal firearm cannot be shown to cause more violent crime, I will continue to arm myself when I’m in the public – concealed or open doesn’t matter, I’m going to continue to carry to defend myself and my loves ones from those that would kill me over a $20 bill.

ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

]]> By: Joe http://www.commonfolkusingcommonsense.com/2008/06/19/brady-center-tells-us-gun-control-is-dangerous/comment-page-1/#comment-29410 Joe Fri, 20 Jun 2008 13:17:34 +0000 http://www.commonfolkusingcommonsense.com/?p=1284#comment-29410 The highest rating states in the Brady State Scorecard Rankings: 1-California, 2-New Jersey, 3-Connecticut, 4-Mass., 5-Maryland, 6-New York, 7-Rhode Island, 8-Hawaii, 9-Illinois, 10- Pennsylvania It is tough to find this information on the Brady site, but dig a little and you can find it. The highest rating states in the Brady State Scorecard Rankings:
1-California, 2-New Jersey, 3-Connecticut, 4-Mass., 5-Maryland, 6-New York, 7-Rhode Island, 8-Hawaii, 9-Illinois, 10- Pennsylvania

It is tough to find this information on the Brady site, but dig a little and you can find it.

]]> By: Choy http://www.commonfolkusingcommonsense.com/2008/06/19/brady-center-tells-us-gun-control-is-dangerous/comment-page-1/#comment-29409 Choy Fri, 20 Jun 2008 09:07:57 +0000 http://www.commonfolkusingcommonsense.com/?p=1284#comment-29409 Interesting, but not terribly useful. It doesn't mean all that much without the ten least safe states to compare it to. If the Brady Score was high on those then it would show some signifigance that would be obvious. Without that, people can just put it off as coincidence. And where is the link to Bollinger's original post? I'd really wanted to see how the numbers change across all 50 states and I couldn't find the original chart to see if the data was there. Interesting, but not terribly useful. It doesn’t mean all that much without the ten least safe states to compare it to. If the Brady Score was high on those then it would show some signifigance that would be obvious. Without that, people can just put it off as coincidence.

And where is the link to Bollinger’s original post? I’d really wanted to see how the numbers change across all 50 states and I couldn’t find the original chart to see if the data was there.

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